Comments on: Microsoft to Double Down on HTML5 With Internet Explorer 9? Really? http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/ Get your web worker news fix Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:35:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Adardesign http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-7565 Adardesign Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:55:06 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-7565 @jbland IE would be much better if they get out of the browser war! @jbland IE would be much better if they get out of the browser war!

]]> By: Antony http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6617 Antony Fri, 09 Apr 2010 05:56:27 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6617 good ya good ya

]]> By: jbland http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6453 jbland Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:06:00 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6453 @moses - @Adardesign's comments are simply reflective of the reality that the web moves orders of magnitudes faster than IE's release cycle. It doesn't matter if IE9 is the greatest thing since peanut butter got together with jelly. Whatever innovations it may bring will be quickly and outstripped within a few release cycles fom Opera, Mozilla and Google, and then we'll have more pointless discussions about upcoming features in IE10 that other browsers implemented ages prior. IE would be much better if Microsoft spun it off into its own division, where its release cycles would be independent of its other offerings. Unfortunately i dont see that happening in my lifetime. @moses – @Adardesign’s comments are simply reflective of the reality that the web moves orders of magnitudes faster than IE’s release cycle. It doesn’t matter if IE9 is the greatest thing since peanut butter got together with jelly. Whatever innovations it may bring will be quickly and outstripped within a few release cycles fom Opera, Mozilla and Google, and then we’ll have more pointless discussions about upcoming features in IE10 that other browsers implemented ages prior.

IE would be much better if Microsoft spun it off into its own division, where its release cycles would be independent of its other offerings. Unfortunately i dont see that happening in my lifetime.

]]> By: moses http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6451 moses Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:47:19 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6451 @Adardesign "if the IE team can’t do things enough fast (in the speed of today’s web) they should give up once and for all." Well maybe MS should hire you for millions since you're clearly awesome and can do everything better and faster than everybody else. @Adardesign
“if the IE team can’t do things enough fast (in the speed of today’s web) they should give up once and for all.”

Well maybe MS should hire you for millions since you’re clearly awesome and can do everything better and faster than everybody else.

]]> By: admin http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6370 admin Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:13:35 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6370 Thank you for your input Zack, this is a much appreciate point of view, I hope you are right and that the IE team will catch up fast! Thank you for your input Zack,
this is a much appreciate point of view, I hope you are right and that the IE team will catch up fast!

]]> By: Adardesign http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6369 Adardesign Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:57:22 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6369 @Zack Weinberg if the IE team can't do things enough fast (in the speed of today's web) they should give up once and for all. I see that webkit and mozilla are doing just fine, only IE can't do it? @Zack Weinberg
if the IE team can’t do things enough fast (in the speed of today’s web) they should give up once and for all.

I see that webkit and mozilla are doing just fine, only IE can’t do it?

]]> By: Adardesign http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6368 Adardesign Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:53:11 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6368 I think that IE is doing all of these things (bugs, not implementing new technologies, etc) on purpose. They know that the faster the web will grow the faster they will parish, therefore they are trying to slow down the process. I think that IE is doing all of these things (bugs, not implementing new technologies, etc) on purpose.

They know that the faster the web will grow the faster they will parish, therefore they are trying to slow down the process.

]]> By: Zack Weinberg http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6367 Zack Weinberg Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:52:35 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6367 Your form ate my tags :-) "And there are plenty of reasons why <video>/<audio> are a good idea ..." Your form ate my tags :-) “And there are plenty of reasons why <video>/<audio> are a good idea …”

]]> By: Zack Weinberg http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6366 Zack Weinberg Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:51:52 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6366 I'm a Mozilla developer, and I think you may be underestimating the IE team's (new-found, yes) commitment to web standards. We talk to them a lot in the HTML and CSS working groups, and they seem quite serious about catching up on CSS3 modules, at least. I don't follow HTML5 myself so I can't say for sure how serious they are about that, but it would not surprise me to see HTML5 multimedia support in IE9 at all -- do keep in mind that the IE team and the Silverlight team are totally different groups, with different priorities. And there are plenty of reasons why / are a good idea even if you assume the ubiquity of Silverlight (or Flash), such as better integration with the surrounding page. Don't expect them to pick up on any spec that hasn't reached Candidate Recommendation state, though; they are very firm about not changing anything once they ship it, so they don't want to do anything experimental. Regarding border-radius, I've been implementing a lot of that myself for Gecko, and it's much harder than you might think. Yes, drawing a curve is easy; but getting the interactions with every other border and background feature right is hard. Have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=border-radius and its many dependencies, and realize that that's all work *yet to be done*. I’m a Mozilla developer, and I think you may be underestimating the IE team’s (new-found, yes) commitment to web standards. We talk to them a lot in the HTML and CSS working groups, and they seem quite serious about catching up on CSS3 modules, at least. I don’t follow HTML5 myself so I can’t say for sure how serious they are about that, but it would not surprise me to see HTML5 multimedia support in IE9 at all — do keep in mind that the IE team and the Silverlight team are totally different groups, with different priorities. And there are plenty of reasons why / are a good idea even if you assume the ubiquity of Silverlight (or Flash), such as better integration with the surrounding page.

Don’t expect them to pick up on any spec that hasn’t reached Candidate Recommendation state, though; they are very firm about not changing anything once they ship it, so they don’t want to do anything experimental.

Regarding border-radius, I’ve been implementing a lot of that myself for Gecko, and it’s much harder than you might think. Yes, drawing a curve is easy; but getting the interactions with every other border and background feature right is hard. Have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=border-radius and its many dependencies, and realize that that’s all work *yet to be done*.

]]> By: Cyril Gupta http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/microsoft-to-double-down-on-html5-with-internet-explorer-9-really/comment-page-1/#comment-6356 Cyril Gupta Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:16:29 +0000 http://www.position-absolute.com/?p=2305#comment-6356 Microsoft has done splendid catch-up acts in the past in many fields (Remember Java?). Before we sign the engineers at IE off, let's remember that those guys are pretty smart. I can well imagine that they will come up with something good soon. Microsoft has done splendid catch-up acts in the past in many fields (Remember Java?). Before we sign the engineers at IE off, let’s remember that those guys are pretty smart. I can well imagine that they will come up with something good soon.

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